It was all about public input last Monday
Posted by Cheryl McLachlan on September 8, 2010
The last council meeting went until after 9PM and covered a lot of information, so this report on that meeting is very long, so here’s some interesting tidbits to get you started:
- City Planner Matthew Baldwin’s explanation that the City of Langford has opted out of the province’s site remediation program, so ensuring the property is not contaminated would be solely the responsibility of the developer,
- concerns about fire safety with a near-zero setback of approximately 6 inches were answered with quidelines require the building material on that setback be noncombustible
- City Engineer John Manson explained, “speed bumps are a hazard to our community, as they could cause an accident with our emergency vehicles,”
- Councillor Szpak said, “sidewalks and beautification are coming along as we develop,” and, “we do not have building heights in the (new) OCP,”
- residents were repeatedly told to “bring their concerns before the Transportation and Public Works Committee,”
- City Planner, Matthew Baldwin in response to concerns about property damage and injury from blasting said, “that’s why blasting companies have so much insurance,”
- Coucillor Lillian Szpak explained to a local resident that, “anyone who has an interest in it has a right to speak” at a Langford Public Hearing.
There were 4 Public Hearings:
1st) Bylaw No. 1190 to permit the development of approximately 83 units in a four storey residential building at 2697 and 2701 Peatt Road had speakers raised concerns about a variety of issues including:
- possible site contamination which was met with City Planner Matthew Baldwin’s explanation the City of Langford had opted out of the province’s site remediation program so ensuring the property is not contaminated would be solely the responsibility of the developer,
- fire potentially crossing the proposed zero setback of approximately 6 inches was answered with quidelines requiring the building material on that setback be noncombustible,
- the development might not finish, like the development on Orono Ave., to which the proponent indicated the development would not commence without all the money needed to finish being in place,
- a variety of traffic issues; eventual extension of Claude Rd. through what is now only a pedestrian walkway to Peatt Rd., lack of a traffic study on Claude Road even though there will be new driveways and later much more through traffic, assurances from the City Engineer that Claude Road was not yet operating at compacity and development would add very little traffic was challenged as drivers avoiding the new Goldstream Ave. roundabout are already increasing traffic in the neighbourhood. There were repeated requests for traffic calming measures from area residents. City Engineer John Manson explained, “speed bumps are a hazard to our community, as they could cause an accident with our emergency vehicles,” that possibly a speed sign could be posted, and the neighbours should bring their concerns before the Transportation and Public Works Committee,
- lack of parking in the area and throughout the city was also repeatedly cited by speakers, many noting even when developments met the city’s parking requirements, there were still parking issues, was answered repeatedly that this development exceeds the parking requirements, though it can be argued that it’s not possible to exactly “know” whether the parking requirements will be exceeded when parking is per unit and you have “approximately 83 units,” not a maximum of 83 units,
- concerns about lack of safe places to walk was answered by Councillor Szpak saying, “sidewalks and beautification are coming along as we develop,”
- worries about annoying outflow illumination from underground parking garage, similar in nature to the unresolved issue with a nearby development by the same developer, was answered by the city planner that this would be dealt with at the permit approval stage,
- queries about allowable building heights in the area brought the response of, “we do not have building heights in the OCP,” from Councillor Szpak,
- when questioned why there were only 18 bicycle hook ups for so many units the proponent of the development pointed out each unit had a storage locker that could securely house a bicycle, although no indication was given how accessible the lockers would be for daily access in and out out of the building from the storage lockers.
2nd) Bylaw No. 1286 to amend the zoning designation of the CD10 Zone (Boulder Ridge) to include One-Family Dwellings as a permitted use in Areas 2, 3 and 5 and to revise the density bonusing amenity structure to accept either amenity land or cash in lieu at 3349, 3355 and 3361 Happy Valley Road brought forward speakers who asked about:
- parking being allowed on both sides or one side of the road, the response being a suggestion to bring their concerns before the Transportation and Public Works Committee,
- concerns about extension of the roadway requiring extensive blasting that lead City Planner Matthew Baldwin to repeatedly explain blasting is not regulated by the City of Langford but by the blasting company, WorkSafe BC and the blasting company’s insurance provider,
- queries about safety for local residents, specifically children who might be playing outside in their yard and any damage or injury from blasting brought the response from the city planner, “that’s why blasting companies have so much insurance,”
- concerns were raised about the need for traffic calming near Happy Valley School, to which Councillor Szpak responded that the speed limit in school zones is 30 km/h and again the suggestion was made for residents to bring their concerns before the Transportation and Public Works Committee,
- one resident asked if Happy Valley School could accommodate all the new children, and Councillor Szpak explained the Sooke School Board regulates all that and that “we hear from them when there is an issue,”
- concerns about noise from construction brought the response that the noise bylaw allows for noise from dawn to dusk and that construction could commence at 6:30AM M-F and 7AM on weekends,
- concerns one resident cited about respiratory issues for children and a white house turned brown from dust due to no watering trucks being used and trucks driving uncovered, was answered with trucks are legally required to be covered and that watering trucks should be used to control dust,
- a query about a wildlife corridor already in existence brought the response from City Planner Matthew Baldwin that the park would be extended to accommodate this wildlife corridor.
3rd) Bylaw No. 1293 is to amend the City of Langford Zoning Bylaw No. 300 by amending the P1 (Neighbourhood Institutional) zone to allow for the development of a six storey building that would contain approximately 157 Assisted Living Apartment units and a 257m2 (2,766ft2) Church at 911 Jenkins Ave. brought in many many letters and a lot of speakers. Those speaking against the proposed development were from the immediate neighbourhood and while some voiced support for the idea of seniors housing in their neighbourhood they objected to the 6 storey height and density, citing it was not in keeping with their single family homes that “would be dwarfed by the monolith,” and raised concerns about traffic in and out of the facility, from residents, visitors, families and emergency vehicles.
Those that spoke in favour were often from outside the City of Langford and were parishoners of the Lutheran Church or had some familiarity or connection to the Alexander MacKie Lodge, an existing senior’s complex already built and operating successfully on Station Rd. by the same developer. One local resident questioned why so many people not from Langford were being allowed to speak. Coucillor Lillian Szpak explained that, “anyone who has an interest in it has a right to speak” at a Public Hearing.
4th) Bylaw No. 1294 is to amend the City of Langford Zoning Bylaw No. 300 by amending the zoning designation of the amenity lands from R2A (One and Two-Family Dwelling) to RM3A (Apartment) and to revise the density bonusing amenity structure to accept either amenity land or cash-in-lieu at 3458 Happy Valley Road – there were no speakers in the Public Hearing.
Public Participation:
The four public hearing were followed by many Walfred residents out to speak, as some of them had missed or could not attend the Planning, Zoning and Affordable Housing Committee meeting that considered the temporary industrial permit for the sale of crushed rock proposed for their residential neighbourhood. They spoke about:
- one Walfred resident brought in 5 letters of opposition from other residents who were unable to attend so the letters could be added to the record,
- concerns about dust from the on-site operation and transport trucks, and the possible lack of watering trucks and uncovered loads that maybe problematic like in other nearby areas where complaints did not lead to the situation being corrected,
- continuous noise during all daylight hours will be the destruction of local resident’s “peace and enjoyment,”
- the lack of guidelines or parameters for dust and sound makes enforcement questionable,
- offers of information on decibal levels from a local sound engineer and questions about guidelines for enforcement were derailed by Councillor Szpak, who chaired the council meeting, noting that they were there to discuss the sale of crushed rock and nothing else
- the three year permit could be extended to 6 years, arguably a long time for a “temporary” permit
- all of Langford could have temp. industrial permits,
- it was questioned whether a BC Mining permit was also necessary,
- finally, residents read the CRD noise bylaw Langford is using and felt it precluded operations on a Sunday, yet Council and staff cited dawn to dusk operations 7 days a week.
no longer shocked said
Anyone who attended the meeting, or read this accurate synopsis can count the number of times council has deflected, minimalized or ignored significant concerns expressed by the electorate at this meeting. This is but one of many examples of how this council, single-mindedly continues to support ongoing development at the expense of the wishes of neighbourhoods and the community. This is not representing wishes, but a tiny dictatorship.
When are Langford residents going to understand there are other ways to inspire a growing and viable community that do not include mass destruction of forests, greenspace and existing peaceful neighbourhoods.
It would be amazing if Langford actually listened to folks and perhaps looked at areas where development has been stalled or neglected and developed an infill plan that would actually enhance instead of destroy. A challenge perhaps?
Anonymous said
Inside Langford once again, has sadly lowered its standards to try and justify their meager existence. I believe it is long overdue that this site and the people that run it find something else more constructive to do with their time. Reading all the inaccuracies in the above article just goes to validate my statement. Steve and Cheryl its over, you lost the election move on…
Anonymous said
Here is a suggestion, change the name from Inside Langford to Oneside Langford, as you always give only one side of the story.
Graham Miller said
Come on Anonymous. Now you want Inside Langford shutdown. What would you do all day. THREE comments posted today and ALL from you.
You have no problem using other people’s real names in your postings but seem afraid to tell us your own. It’s Winnie, right?
Cheryl McLachlan said
One of the ‘Anonymous’ (there could be so many or so few – its hard to keep track, why not just use your name?) said, “Reading all the inaccuracies in, “It was all about public input last Monday.”
Did I misconstrue or misquote someone, you perhaps? Many times and in many ways if there were “all” those inaccuracies. I would be quite willing to consider a different perspective on the meeting – but you fail to elaborate one.
The lack of even ONE example of my supposed many inaccuracies leads me to suspect your comment has little to do with accuracy and alot to do with reporting and sharing of what I heard and saw in council chambers. The sharing of information is a basic tenant of building a healthy community, especially a *functional* democracy. Did you miss the lessons on sharing? Most of us had our first lessons on the importance of sharing in kindergarten.
Jes said
Looks like business as usual for developer run Langford.
Drofgnal said
I guess the councillors have lots of time to post on Inside Langford while they are waiting around for the developers to come and tell them what to do.
So Obvious said
If it’s so obvious now just how much present council is interested in its constituents’ input as opposed to developer-driven proposals, what are you going to do about it in the next election? Unfortunately, it will be a battle as the developers own Langford. You may not be able to unseat The King but you could get rid of his Yes Men (and woman) by booting them off council and putting some ‘dangerous speedbumps’ in his way to stall unsound/unethical plans.
Quiet Living said
Langford council is far too concerned about development and not it’s quality of life, just look at all the noise issues from Western Speedway that they are ignoring. The “King” should be toppled and replaced with a “Normal” person.
Anonymous said
Dear “QL” Do you mean a normal person who would get nothing accomplished and raise your taxes along with it? It makes sick to see the people on this site trying to dismantle the only municipality that is working hard and getting so many things done, you have no clue how hard this council works. Please feel free to run for Council with all of your vast experience, that is if you have any. I will look forward to reading the crushing election results and then reading the whiny little posts on this pathetic site, if Inside Langford didn’t make me laugh so hard I wouldn’t even waste my time, LOL…GAFL!
Ann said
You mean, run the city into debt, ruin the environment, and raise taxes, all at the same time, right? I don’t buy the spin you’re selling.
As for the election – that’s over a year away, and we are still waiting to see last year’s financial statements that were due three months ago. So don’t count your chickens, Mr. Nasty.
Cheryl McLachlan said
It seems appropriate for a variation on the Red Green quote:
“If the women don’t find you handsome, at least they should find you handy.”
If they don’t find you useful, at least they should find you funny.”
I am glad some are amused. Hopefully others are enlightened from the exchange of differing ideas or informed from the sharing of information.
Jebby Deringer said
I grew up in Langford yet attended school in another district. If ever my my home municipality was discussed the conversation would usually turn against me and I’d be mildly ridiculed. I rarely brought it up. Langford was considered red neck back then and strangely little has changed. These days most of the red necks now have decent paying jobs and seemingly limitless work. There are now plenty of places to pick up cheap chinese made clothing & electronics and no garage is complete without a boat, a motorcycle, a 60s musclecar (80s if you’re real classy), and an ATV. The American chain restaurants that line the streets provide somewhere for the hordes of “me too my only tool is a hammer but I’ve got a fullsize diesel pickup” undeveloped taste bud crowd.
Teresa said
Haven’t visited this site for awhile, the first article I read was this one. I was initially heartened by the possibility that Council was encouraging public speakers at meetings respectfully and openly, then gradually discouraged again by the ‘same BS, different day’ reality.